Bluebell Banter

Lets hope Dave Mogg can call on a few favours from other managers and sign a couple of players as ther is now a bit of a gap opening up. The bottom 4 seem to be getting left behind at this moment in time.

ronnie r wrote:Yatesman where on rule 5 does it state that a ref CAN send a physio off during a game.

The Referee:

.enforces the Laws of the Game

.takes action against team officials who fail to conduct themselves in a responsible manner and may, at his discretion, expel them from the field of play and its immediate surrounds

.ensures that no unauthorised persons enter the field of play


.provides the appropriate authorities with a match report which includes information on any disciplinary action taken against players, and/or team officials and any other incidents which occurred before, during or after the match





The Technical Area


.The coach and other officials must remain within the confines of the technical area except in special circumstances, for example, a physiotherapist or doctor entering the field of play, with the referee’s permission, to assess an injured player
.The coach and other occupants of the technical area must behave in a responsible manner



OK ronnie r........now show me where it says he CAN'T send a physio off before, during or after a match.

Dont have to look at the rule book.Got talking to a pro ref who explained the ruling to me . so i will say again yatesman you are wrong on this occasion. Get over it

ronnie r wrote:Dont have to look at the rule book.Got talking to a pro ref who explained the ruling to me . so i will say again yatesman you are wrong on this occasion. Get over it

A pro-ref explained it to you. That was convenient..................I think it's the ref from yesterday's match that you should explain it to ,though, as it would seem he doesn't know the rules either.

Pity you're not able to explain it to me too.... ho-hum, nevermind!

You said the ref sent him off after the game, he can do that , but not when the game is going on , unless there is someone in the dugout who is experienced to do so. Did try telling you this in a earlier e.mail.

Blimey, move on kids....................

Why not pass on mobile numbers, or meet for a pint ?

ronnie r wrote:You said the ref sent him off after the game, he can do that ,

Thankyou.

Re-read the thread from the start and you'll see that is exactly what I told you. You obviously didn't read my first post on the matter thoroughly.

So we agree a ref can send a physio off after the final whistle.

I would contend that , under Law 5, he could also send a team's physio off during the match if the physio enters the field of play without permission or conducts himslf in an inappropriate manner. In Law 5 there is not a list of exceptions. Obviously sent off means sent to the stands away from the technical zone, it doesn't mean get showered, leave the stadium and catch a bus home!!!!

If a player was injured then the ref has a choice, as the player's welfare comes under his remit, he can ask the other team's physio to administer treatment or he could agree to recall the physio to administer treatment, if the injury was that serious an ambulance would be called anyway.

Tbh apart from Gary Lewin of Arsenal ( now England) there is hardly a wealth of previous incidents to act as precedents in this type of scenario and I doubt your alleged ref friend has spent too much time chewing over this scenario in his mind.

If a physio runs on to the pitch and shoves an official or opposition player, or launches a foul-mouthed tirade at the ref, I'm sure that under Law 5 , he can be sent to the stands( away from the playing area) and if his presence in the stands is considered likely to inflame the supporters then he would be sent to the changing rooms, same goes for any player or other official, his magic sponge would then be given to someone else in the technical area.

At the end of the day , reply by telling me once again that I've got it wrong, but if I'm honest , ronnie r , I don't respect your authority to do that , so you'd just be pissing against the wind if you do.

If ultimately I'm wrong, so be it, I would have learned some useless trivia, except that it might be useful in a pub quiz. You, however, need to drop it now because there is nothing more to say on this unless someone else with authority on the matter can resolve it, because you and I certainly won't.

Goalhanger wrote:Blimey, move on kids....................

Why not pass on mobile numbers, or meet for a pint ?

lol, you're right let's move on. Mind you it beats talking about the actual football.

I can imagine if I went out for a pint with ronnie r we'd never agree on a pub.

My understanding is that the physio CANT be sent off during a match, only after. If he does something the ref doesn't like then he will be reported in the ref's report.

This isn't made clear in Law 5 but I think is cleared up in a set of advisory rules produced by FIFA, which is included after the laws of the game.

Therefore Yatesman is right to say it's not in Law 5 but wrong if he says the physio can be sent of DURING a match.

ronnie r wrote:You said the ref sent him off after the game, he can do that , but not when the game is going on , unless there is someone in the dugout who is experienced to do so. Did try telling you this in a earlier e.mail.

Well according to the above quote from ronnie r even he thinks that a physio can be sent off during a game if there is someone in the dugout who is experienced to do so.

My main point is that it is hard to categorically say one way or the other based on the wording of Law 5. I don't know for sure, as I've maintained all along, but then ronnie r isn't clear either as he's moved from saying 'a physio can't be sent off' to 'he can be sent off after the final whistle' to'he can be sent off if there is someone in the dug out experienced to do his job'........hardly definitive.


On reflection Y8fan's definition seems most sensible, that an incident during a match involving the physio would be reported by the ref in his match report, but the physio allowed to continue with his duties. Luckily the vast majority of physios are even-tempered, professional individuals who would never countenance getting on the wrong side of the ref.I don't know the detail of Steve Carter's red card ( if one was shown) but I would guess there was a misunderstanding of some sort.